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 Post subject: GFCI Breaker Vers GFCI Disconnect
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:20 pm 
I have a question on what is best:
Spa Wiring...I know...Here we go again :)

GFCI Breaker
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GFCI Disconnect

What i wish to end up with is simple...
I need a 120v out via a seperate breaker @ spa,for lighting etc... 240v at spa...and i have heard about "False Tripping" when using a GFCI Breaker.

The 4#6ga wires are in place, spa comes in 3 weeks, so i have some time to get the correct box...What is your input?

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 Post subject: I've heard too.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:01 pm 
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You'll hear every story in the world.... most are not true.

Use a real GFCI circuit breaker.



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Thanks, That makes the most sense to me anyhow..... :lol:



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 Post subject: if you need extra power...
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:51 am 
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Get one of those 100 amp sub boxes that have spaces for 4 circuit breakers instead of a box dedicated to the spa only. Run your 6 gauge wire into it. Do the 40 or 50 amp GFCI to the spa as usual and in most cases, you'll be ok to run an extra outlet or line using a normal 15 amp breaker. As long as you're not too far from the mains in the house, (<60? feet), you'll be alright.

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Yes like 65 feet not too far.... good idea... you "are" the man!

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 Post subject: GFCI Breaker vs. GFCI "Disconnect"
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:55 pm 

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Just some comments..... a bit of insight into the design of both of them;

A GFCI BREAKER has a dual function 1. To open on current overload (short circuit, too much power draw) 2. To open on Ground Fault. (illegal current exceeding 5 mA, flowing to ground)

A GFCI INTERRUPTER has only a single function...to open on 'ground fault'.
I know of situations where inductive loads within the spa (especially one's running on one leg -120V in a 240V installation) did "fool" the GFCI breaker into false trips. These combination breakers in the higher Amp ranges also seem to be a bit sensitive to line irregularities, spikes, electrical noise, etc....causing false trips.

I have found that installations with seperate devices ...standard breaker in the house load center panel and another GFCI interrupter with manual disconnect mounted near the spa (not closer than 5"...consult your local code) cause far less nuisance trippings. ....yes, it's more money.

The service guys also like the local disconnect. You just pull it out, put it in your pocket and there is no way you can get zapped...vs. a single GFCI breaker in the house where someone could accidently turn it on :twisted: while you still have your fingers in it.....safety!

There is also one spa-side unit I know of, which features an additional 15Amp breaker for a std. 115Vac outlet (GFI protected as well ) for patio lights, etc.
Watch the total current load! The spa-side GFCI is rated normally at 50A max.
Happy tubbing.....
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