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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:10 pm 

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Swine wrote:
Keeping the pump unplugged, energize high speed, and measure for voltage (on the control box side of the pump wiring) between red and ground, black and ground, red and white, and black and white.

Please post results, and some pic's to be sure we're on the same page :)



Will do, thanks for the help!


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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:34 pm 

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Swine wrote:
Keeping the pump unplugged, energize high speed, and measure for voltage (on the control box side of the pump wiring) between red and ground, black and ground, red and white, and black and white.

Please post results, and some pic's to be sure we're on the same page :)



Ok here are the results and pictures.

Pump unplugged and engerized at high speed.

Measured voltage at control box:

Red & Ground = Nothing
Black & Ground= 120volts
Red & White= Nothing
Black & White= Nothing

http://i30.tinypic.com/nxuf44.jpg --> Side showing harness outlets
http://i25.tinypic.com/2gydt3t.jpg --> Pump Harness
http://i28.tinypic.com/2gx0mew.jpg --> Red to Ground (no voltage)
http://i28.tinypic.com/2z65h5v.jpg --> Black to Ground (120volts)
http://i32.tinypic.com/3524zuq.jpg --> Red to white (no voltage)
http://i32.tinypic.com/34zlekh.jpg --> Black to White (no voltage)


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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:17 am 
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Good Job! You're testing perfectly.


Can you also take a pic of the control box? Look for any burnt wires or connections.

For whatever reason, you're getting the same phase of 120 for both the common and high speed. That shouldn't be happening.

Also, go ahead and test for voltage at the main terminal black (in the spa control box) between the two hots-possible just a bad breaker.



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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:46 am 

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Ok. The control box doesn't appear to have any burnt wires or anything abnormal. I've inspected it a lot.

Got 120volts from black to white....and 120 volts from red to white.

I hope I did it right. What should I do next?

http://i25.tinypic.com/33c9q54.jpg --> control box

http://i26.tinypic.com/2irkhli.jpg --> Black to White

http://i29.tinypic.com/25ajj8o.jpg -->Red to White


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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:42 pm 
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Good, but we need to test for 220v. Try going from black to red :)

Testing them one at a time could be the same 110v

Also, with the voltage on, place one lead on each side a fuse. Do this for each fuses, and post the voltage results :)



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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:14 pm 

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Swine wrote:
Good, but we need to test for 220v. Try going from black to red :)

Testing them one at a time could be the same 110v

Also, with the voltage on, place one lead on each side a fuse. Do this for each fuses, and post the voltage results :)



Testing black to red I get no voltage.

I also tested the (2) 30amp fuses on each end and got no power on either.


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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:03 pm 
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The breaker may have 1/2 tripped, is bad, or the wiring is damaged.

Try turning the breaker off and on again,and test for voltage between black and red on the breaker.



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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:40 pm 

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Swine wrote:
The breaker may have 1/2 tripped, is bad, or the wiring is damaged.

Try turning the breaker off and on again,and test for voltage between black and red on the breaker.



I shut off breaker and turned it back on. No voltage between Red and Black at the main house breaker panel. This is a GE Slim 50 amp breaker I put in. Its smaller than the other 'standard' 240 breakers. There is 120 each if I go from ground to red...or ground to black.


Here are the breakers. The spa 50amp slim is on the very bottom right side.
http://i25.tinypic.com/35lwayx.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:16 pm 
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Yikes- you can't use a "slim" breaker- you're just getting two of the same 110v legs, not true 220v. Do you see the big 60 amp breaker on the left? You need a breaker like that one. It uses a 110v leg on each side of the main panel for 220v. The "slim" breaker just uses two of the same 110 volt lines- it's not really a 220v breaker, but two 50 amp 110 volt breakers.



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 Post subject: Re: Power at pump but won't spin or hum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:31 pm 

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your kidding me!

Thats it?

Thank-you


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