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Ricch
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Post subject: SPA JET HELP!! Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:56 pm |
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:07 pm Posts: 5 Location: Elkhart, IN
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:50 am |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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If you could, post a photo of the entire top of the tub. Often, tubs have flow control knobs on top of the tub, which control which sets of jets will operate. Also try removing the jet insert on the non-working jet. With the insert removed, there is no physical obstruction possible inside the jet, unless some debris became physically lodged in the center of the housing, behind the insert. With the insert removed, you should be able to inspect to see if this is the case. Try running the tub with the insert removed and see if you have any flow.
Do you have an enormous jet in that tub, besides the large jets, small jets, and back massage jet? If so, check to see if the outer ring is knurled. Often these type of jets (sometimes referred to as whirlpool jets) are also adjustable, but they not only adjust themselves, but other jets in the tub as well.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:43 am |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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do you have any other knobs or levers on the top of the tub? Those two white knobs only control the amount of air being drawn into the jets, and have nothing to do with water flow.
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Ricch
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:43 am |
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:07 pm Posts: 5 Location: Elkhart, IN
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Nope - no other controls. What you see is all I have.
Ricc Havens
Elkhart, IN
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:54 am |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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do you have a single, 2 speed pump, or do you have 2, single speed pumps?
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Ricch
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:03 am |
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:07 pm Posts: 5 Location: Elkhart, IN
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Just the one pump as seen in the first photo (to the right of the Emerald Spa control panel)
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:53 am |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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When you said you noticed suction from the non-working jet, were you checking from the bottom of the jet housing where the water comes out, or on the top of the housing? It may be possible that you noticed the suction from one of the working jets' air venturi feeding back on the non-working jet's air venturi. The water portion of the jet body (based on the photo of the back of it) is the bottom side, with the air on the top side.
I'm thinking that a rag or other obstruction somehow ended up in that run of hose, before the jets. When you have the pump on low, it's loose enough to pass some water. But when you engage the pump on high, the obstruction basically seals the line shut.
The way those tubs are plumbed, there is no way for a jet to suck water in. They are discharge only.
Now, what to do? I would try to back flush the obstruction out of the plumbing. This procedure isn't going to be fun, especially depending on where your filter is located. From what I see, it looks like the plumbing comes from the pump, through the heater, and out to the jets. Is this correct? If so, drain the tub, disconnect the flexible hose from the left side of the heater (leaving the gate valve open), and backfeed from that blocked jet. I would try compressed air if you can. You may just find the obstruction come right out. If your filter housing is between the heater and the jets, this could be tricky. Most filter housings are equipped with a bypass valve, which is simply a spring loaded rubber flapper. If this piece broke off (as they often do), this could have gotten lodged in the plumbing. Depending on the design of the housing, you may still be able to backflush into the filter housing, and retrieve the obstruction in the housing. If not, and if you have easy access to the plumbing on the discharge side of the filter housing, on the line going to the non-working jet, I would suggest cutting the line and trying to backfeed to that cut. When all is said and done, use a pvc coupler and flex-pvc cement to repair the line.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:06 am |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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I just thought about a couple more ideas regarding how one might get an obstruction out.
If you do have the line running from the heater to the jets, no filter in between, you could try to use a small diameter drain snake and see if you can grab the obstruction that way, or maybe even get a shop vac on the hose, and tape off all but the non-working jet and see if you can suck it out that way.
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Ricch
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:56 pm |
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:07 pm Posts: 5 Location: Elkhart, IN
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The filter housing is a round canister housing to the left of the white gate valve on the left of the main box shown in the first photo. It's imounted on a tip out door just to the left of the timer dial and gate valve.
The possibility of a broken backflow flapper valve makes some sense. Becaause I don't see anyway a stray rag could ge sucked into the system since the skimmer and underwater inlet are well covered for large debris.
I guess I'll have to wait till spring to try your suggestions. The ground is frozen so I have no where for the water to go when I drain the tub other than onto my patio where it will make a big puddle then ice rink until spring thaw.
If you think of any other possibilities - please let me know
THANKS
Ricc Havens
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