It is currently Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:25 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours



Login

Register  •  Username:   Password:   Log me on automatically each visit  



 Page 1 of 1 [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Venturi Air
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:31 am 

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:50 pm
Posts: 6
I have a 1994 Cal Spa. I have replaced all the jet seals and have bled the air out of the lines with enough water to fill a pool. I have a 4hp motor, a circulating pump and a cartridge filter on the suction side. I have diverter switch to switch between jets. While the tub is empty I have blown and sucked air through all jets and have good air flow. When I fill the tub turn on the jets I get no suction through the venturi lines. I can blow air through them when running and it acts like normal. Any help is appreciated.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:06 am 
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:39 am
Posts: 1409
Location: Metro Atlanta, Georgia Region
1. Is this a digital (Balboa Instruments) system?
2. Did this just 'happen' all of a sudden? Or has it been a problem for a while?



_________________
Use this information at your own risk!
http://spapartsnet.com
http://atlanta.spanet.net
Amateurs built the Ark, Professionals built the Titanic.
Offline
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:37 pm 

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:50 pm
Posts: 6
It is a manual system and it happens all the time


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:53 pm 

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:50 pm
Posts: 6
I received this tub from my nieghbor of course. It never had an air blower motor. I have 2 venturi lines that come to a T and then to a manual air control.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:13 am 
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:39 am
Posts: 1409
Location: Metro Atlanta, Georgia Region
These tubs have a very horrible record for water and air flow/interference due to their design.

The most important thing is to make sure ALL of the jet gaskets are completely intact.

Next - You must really be patient to understand this, as this is a really tough situation to deal with -
This small diagram I made about 10 years ago, http://spasupport.com/airlocks/jetlock1.gif Not very good, but if you expand it a bit you'll `get the picture`.

Some of these Cal Spa's from back then actually had a tendency to cause suction from jets - with full force pressure coming from the pump. But it's due to poor plumbing design. These problems always seem to happen whenever a CalSpa of this vintage is drained and refilled - air lock problems big time. Usually due to low draped hose loops - existing above the pump suction point.

That said, I'd seriously consider pulling all of the jet inserts to make real sure that you don't have a bad gasket somewhere - difficult I know to get to all of them, but you have to do it. It only takes one faulty gasket on a jet to flood the air suction line - rendering the entire air system useless.

These older Cal Spa tubs are really awesome for size, depth and action, but the plumbing design did leave the uninitiated a bit out in the dark.

You've got to think smarter than the water on this one.



_________________
Use this information at your own risk!
http://spapartsnet.com
http://atlanta.spanet.net
Amateurs built the Ark, Professionals built the Titanic.
Offline
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:54 am 

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:50 pm
Posts: 6
I understand your diagram. What is the best way to get rid of the airlock? I originally installed all the gaskets with water in the tub then drained the tub and checked them all again. I have manually blown air through the air line when the pump is running and works great like it should. I have even gotten some suction after doing this but when I turn the pump of I loose all progress. I have been thinking about installing an air blower and using the manual air valve to work the opposite way, open to release air pressure closed for more air pressure. Your help is greatly appreciated. As I am pulling my hair out with this promblem.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:58 am 
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:39 am
Posts: 1409
Location: Metro Atlanta, Georgia Region
If your system is tight, blowing air will not help if you have the type of airlocks that that diagram describes.

What I have done in the past- is to turn OFF, every jet in the circuit except for the last one in the chain. If it's not possible to turn them off, then get some volunteers and plug the jet output(s) with fingers to force the water completely through the system to forcefully eliminate the trapped air.

This sounds really hokey, but it does work. It's about the only thing one can do in a closed system like this and no other way to deal with it.



_________________
Use this information at your own risk!
http://spapartsnet.com
http://atlanta.spanet.net
Amateurs built the Ark, Professionals built the Titanic.
Offline
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:51 pm 

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:50 pm
Posts: 6
Unfortunately I can not turm them off. I am assuming I have to do this on oth sides of the diverter switch since they are seperated. Which jet do you leave operational? Farthest from pump or closes to pump?


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:08 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:39 am
Posts: 1409
Location: Metro Atlanta, Georgia Region
Farthest.



_________________
Use this information at your own risk!
http://spapartsnet.com
http://atlanta.spanet.net
Amateurs built the Ark, Professionals built the Titanic.
Offline
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:21 pm 

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:50 pm
Posts: 6
Thank you for your help. I have the family ready to try it. I will let you know.


Offline
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
 Page 1 of 1 [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
AeroBlue: John Olson
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group