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chrisste
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Post subject: GFIC Tripping; New Pump Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:54 pm |
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Hi All,
My Artesian Merlin spa just turned 3 (the warranty expired!). When I went to use it the other night I noticed the GFIC had tripped. I tried to reset it and it immediately tripped again. The service guy had me unplug the pump from the control panel and it didn't trip the breaker. He then told me I needed a new pump motor ($500-$700). Since then I've done the following troubleshooting: Disconnected lead from pressure switch to rule out bad heater (still trips breaker). I've also been able to spin the motor by hand. What else should I try before I order a new pump? This is a 230 Vico Products 2 speed Ultra Jet pump.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:02 pm |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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disconnecting the pressure switch will not rule out the heater. You will need to physically disconnect the element to rule that out. If the gfi quits tripping when you disconnect the motor, that is where the problem will be. You might be able to just order a replacement motor from any source rather than the whole pump unit from an expensive dealer
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chrisste
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:26 pm |
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Thanks for the advice. Question: Can I loosen the two nuts on the top of the heater housing without damage the contact strips? Will they bend out of the way? See picture[/img]
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:39 pm |
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Quote: Can I loosen the two nuts on the top of the heater housing without damage the contact strips? Will they bend out of the way?
Yes you can, and yes they do (but I wouldn't recommend too much, just enough to break the connection)
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chrisste
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:50 pm |
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Thanks again. I'll give it a whirl tonight and see what happens. It's hard for me to believe the motor is shot--didn't make any bearing noises or anything--and I'd much rather replace a heater core.
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chrisste
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:53 pm |
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Well, I guess it's not the heater. I disconnected both leads on the heater and switched on the breaker, which tripped immediately. Anything else I should check, or should I just yank the motor, bite the bullet, and order a new one. Any and all advice is appreciated
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Swine
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:41 pm |
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:50 am Posts: 939 Location: SW Florida
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chrisste wrote: Well, I guess it's not the heater. I disconnected both leads on the heater and switched on the breaker, which tripped immediately. Anything else I should check, or should I just yank the motor, bite the bullet, and order a new one. Any and all advice is appreciated Sure sounds like the motor.... but 500-700 sounds a bit high. If the wet-end is in good shape, you can likely find a replacement motor for half that...
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:20 pm |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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Quote: disconnecting the pressure switch will not rule out the heater. You will need to physically disconnect the element to rule that out. If the gfi quits tripping when you disconnect the motor, that is where the problem will be. You might be able to just order a replacement motor from any source rather than the whole pump unit from an expensive dealer
As I said....
Thankx swine for seconding that
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chrisste
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:26 am |
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A new twist. I removed the motor and pump last night and took it to the work bench. The plate (which was hidden on the other side of the motor) says it's a Big-Foot 56 6hp manufactured by Sta-Rite Industries. I removed the two "hump" covers on the top and found one of the capacitors(?) completely blown apart. Looks like the same thing that happened to my well pump a few months ago. This looks like an easily replaceable part. Question is: What is it (capacitor) and where can I get one? The part number is mostly scratched off the side. It's a black plastic cylinder about 3-1/2 inches long by 1-1/2 inches in diameter. Is has the letters "CGE" stenciled on the side (that's about all I can read).
Any ideas?
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:40 am |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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The capacitors allow a single phase motor to start, by splitting the phase and sending the power through a centrifigual switch in the rear of the motor. Once the spins up to about 70% of it's total speed, the switch disengages and takes the capacitor out of the circuit and allows full power to the motor.
There is one capacator per winding, so in your two speed, you will have 2 capacitors. What you will need to find out is which speed that capacitor is for, and the hp rating of that speed. The 6 horse rating of the motor is for the high speed. If you look on the label, it should have a second hp rating for low speed. If you can't locate a second hp rating, it can be calculated based on amperage and voltage of the winding. Take all this information to an electric motor supply or repairing center and they can get you a suitable replacement capacitor.
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ATTENTION! USE THE ADVISE ON THIS FORUM WISELY! WE ARE NOT LIABLE FOR INJURIES, DEATH, DAMAGE, ETC. ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE INFORMATION IN THIS FORUM!
NOTE: I can't guarentee knowledge of all spas.
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