Hot Springs classic (7 years old) recently caught on fire and burned up. Is that common? I could attach pictures if anyone care. Purchased a replacement Marquis Everyday 415 and found out 104 degrees is the max temperature (something about a UL listing). I like it hot, so this isn't going to work for me. Are all tub this way now? Can you recommend a tub that will heat to 107 or so? Thanks

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Wow no replies after 2 days and 22 hits. My first question on this site had a answer is a few hours. Thanks; but, I let the dealer handle that one.

Anyway, appears no one wants to touch the subject or a touchy subject. Maybe too hot! Maybe the burn up tub.

I'm disapointed, after sitting in 106 - 107 degree water for 7 years, last week I find out my maximum choice is 104 degrees. 104 degrees; too hot for some, just right for others, and luke warm for me. Shouldn't complain, I've been fortunate enough to occasionally visit a natural hot springs where I might find a pool that a whooping 110. Now that therapueutic! I don't sit in it all day. I know I can pour bath water that's 107+.

Lets see, deaths, law suits, UL 15?? (something or the other), and SALES. Must be why. Is that goverment or some do gooders protecting us from ourselves? Must think I don't know what to do with that space between my ears. Are those UL folks scary?

It's interesting I've found some information that suggests 109 is UL's max and recently (9/05) spa associations help convince UL that 104 should not be the standard. My local dealer and the manufacturer are positive that 104 is UL's top temp. I'm probably wrong. Almost got into a pissing match with tech support, forturnatly the owner was around. Nice guy.

Thanks, just thought I'd ask (and maybe vent a little)

K

Many people question why their spa will only heat to 104 ºF. Throughout history public bathing was done at higher temperatures. Even today, in Japan, many public bath houses have water up to 115 ºF. In the United States and Canada (as well as most other parts of the world), spas are regulated to obtain a maximum temperature of 104 ºF. Prior to 1980 this was not the case, however on Dec 31, 1979, the Consumer Products Safety Commision (CSPC) released advisory #79-071, which warned of heat strokes caused by 106 °F water. This advisory recommended 104°F as the maximum temperature for a spa.

Underwriters Laboratory (UL) adopted this advisory and lists it in their controlling document for home spas, #UL 1563 (Electric Spas, Equipment Assemblies, and Associated Equipment)

The relevant portion of this document is section 32; Temperature Regulating Controls...

32.1 A unit shall be provided with a water temperature regulating control that has a maximum set point of 40 °C (104 °F) in the tub.
32.2 The temperature regulating control shall be adjustable and shall have marked settings, but it shall not have any settings marked hotter than 40 °C (104 °F).
32.3 A digital temperature regulating control that displays the selected temperature, but no higher than 40 °C (104 °F), may additionally display the actual temperature of the water.

UL has advised that any spa manufacturer that produces a control (or modifies a standard control) to exceed 104 °F is in violation of their UL listing and can have their listing pulled by UL.