And of course we have a serious water crisis here in Cali. how do I best describe its location. Its the side opposite the lounge and to the left of the control panel side. initially I had a pretty slow leak that seemed to be comming from an individual jet on tht side. now there is an additional leah on the same side closer to the filter, still seems to be from a jet. Semms to stop leaking once at jet level.
I sure dont feel like tearing things up until I have trouble shot all I can.
I also am not a huge "jet guy" so if any bypasses are possible that would leave me w/o jets on that side I'd be okay.
Would sealing off jets or hoses do anything for my sitch.
I realize that if i'm not careful i could end up creating more presure in other areas that could "blow" other areas.

Also why are these leaks most likely occurring?

"Sealing off" any jets wouldn't solve much, as water is on both sides of the jet.
Also- and this sounds very dumb to ask, but it happens. Be sure both drain caps aren't the source of the leak.

Look for mini-jet leaks, and moto-jet nipple leaks in that model- they're the most common. You'll have to remove wood and dig foam.

Good luck!

~Swine

It appears to be mini jets, swine. I wish it was the caps. Oh how I wish it was the caps. So the water seems to stop leaking at jet level, does that help me to know where to start?
I was thinking that a complete bypass might be a possibility.
disconnect the hose headed to that " bank" and seal off the mini jets somehow????? I guess the problem would be if someone turned the knob to turn on that side. The moto massage is all good I have read your posts on it. its on the side opposite the lounge. In my models case just mini jets ove there.

Why do these seals/connections go?(assumming thats what we're dealing with.
I am also afraid that as soon as I fix these, the same will happen to the others.
I remember one of the hotsprings leak posts had excellent step by step pics, I'll hunt it.

In another post you say, The first places to look are around the 4 jet cluster aboce the moto-jet, any other mini-jets, and the motto-drain line.

Therefore, I should remove Tand G siding and start above the mini jets?
Do people agree that a wire brush on a drill is the optimal tool?

Before you remove the wood, look closely around the light lens as well. I should have mentioned that earlier

Where to start? I'm afraid you're the doctor now. A few tips might be helpful- don't get too excited when you find wet foam. Personally, I fill the tub, and crank up the heat. Once I've located some wet foam, I'll dig and follow the warmer wet foam to the leak source, instead of the cooler wet foam away from the leak.
I prefer a small hammer, chisel, and screwdrivers to remove most of the foam, and will use the wire brush attachments to remove foam from around pvc fittings. Be careful, there are small bleed lines around the jets, don't get crazy swinging the hammer, and be patient.

I'm not sure why after so many years, some lone fitting will develop a leak. I can postulate my own theory, but have no idea if it's at all accurate, so for now I'll keep it to myself.

I can say, however, that once a leak is repaired, I generally don't see any other leaks creep up in the repaired models.

Good luck!

~Swine

Well almost shelled out 3500 for a 05 Sovereign, and perhaps I should have. Got lucky I suppose. Destroyed the Toungue and groove siding pretty well. Didnt have to turn the thing or lift it. Used about a foot long flatbar/nail puller and a hammer to bust through the harder outer foam then just my dug like a rat with hands to following the moisture. No electrical nearby so had it running. This helped quite a bit. I could not have pinpointed these two leaks otherwise. The blackening rot on the doug fir looking uprights were very tell-tale. That and noting what level the h20 had sunk to helped me to zoom in straight for the first leak at a minijet " junction".Most likely where the flex hose attaches to the jet housing, have to scrape some more. What's the right vocabulary here? Maybe at the jet housing itself. If the welcomed cali rain lets up I'll add water and go at it a bit more to find the exact spot.
Is there no cursing allowed on this forum?Are there children repairing tubs? Good use for theier little hands. Mine are a little blistered from my stubborn fight with the foam.
It was easy to remove water logged inner foam by hand. The wetness also kept down dust. I used a piant scraper, one w/ a crved side to get at harder stuff, the curce was good on hard stuff on hoses. I went ahead and perforated the bottom hard foam so the watter could better drain out.That helped.Quarts of prcious H20 were flowing. Watch for nails/ staples if you go barehanded.
Leak b was tougher and willl be tougher for me to I.D. the part name.Its on the same minijet only side of the sovereign. It is a lesser leak and is greatly exacerbated by turning the jets on. It is located down towards the bottom, well below the minijet. There is a medium sizes Ribbed flex hose nect to a larger one. In the medium spaghetti there is a white hard plastic (PVC?) connector. A clear small plastic hose is clamped to a nipple here. Maybe for bubbles? Alas the leak is not at this this clear hose connection as I had hoped, what joy it would have been to have just replaced a hose clamp. I will try to post pics, because members of the forum (how Roman sounding) who have done this have been like a beacon of helpfulness. Any body can name this junction w/o pics? seems to be a crack right next to the small nipple, perhaps where the nipple is attached to the hard white connector. Again this only really leaks when the jets are running.
So what now, looks like I have to clean up alot of hardened cement and foam....is this when the dremel or drill w/ wire brush comes in handy? Looks like it would be very difficult to replace fittings in kind, there is so little slack and space unless I can do someserious further excavating. Time for devcon and rubber lined hose clamps perhaps? I have some blue water proof epoxy on hand.I figured I would start with a more mickey mouse fix for now. stuff the hole w/ peanuts ( the foam ones) and see if any repairs stand the test of time, and if so pour foam it.

The recent grandee repair pics were helpful.
The bigger leak is for sure were hose connects to a fitting near the mini jet. Just not sure I have enough slack to replace in kind. I may try to devise some kind of a "jacket" Its doesnt seem very high pressure even with the jets on.

seems like devcon should do 'er. The vacuum technique someone posted a while back is intriquing.

well i got one of the two leaks sealed with devcon and i took advantage of the shop vac method while doing so......well that was maybe 6 months ago. I will check to be sure that ones all good before resealing. Spring break is comming up for this educator, so I'll hit the next one. Will try to post pics. hope i dont have to lift the tub for the next one...... i got very close to it last time. It isnt as bad esp w/jets off. However, it too has gotten worse.

Big ugly question. Is there something in the chemical realm or just plain age/use that can make your "cement" unions just start a failing?