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 Post subject: Heater not turning on - Hotsprings Soverign
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:10 pm 

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I drained and cleaned my hot tub this weekend....

While filling it back up my wife plugged it in....I thought no big deal and just unpluged while i filled up.

pluged in and everything seemed fine. after 24 hours I checked it and it wasn't heating.

I tripped the heater thermal cut off button....it made a noise like it was coming on then the gfci tripped and now when I reset it everthing lights up and then it re trips...

any ideas? I am my own worst enemy on this thing!

fyi...just changed the circ pump about three months ago....


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:19 pm 

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Also if I hold the thermal reset button down the power will stay on until I release it...then the tub powers down...

wierd thing the thermal reset button was taped down w/ clear tape b/f I reset it....I peeled the tape off??? Is it supposed to be taped down?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:04 pm 
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Sounds like the heater is indeed tripping the GFCI. Any chance it got wet when you drained the spa? (I've seen several people actually spray water into the equip compartment to clean it-not a good idea!)

If it is wet, a dew days in the sun might cure you. If it isn't wet, might be time to start looking for a new heater.

Good luck!



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I guess there is always a chance that it got wet....but I didn't see any water in the compartment a was careful not to get it wet....

The heater is a "no fault" heater....

Also it worked great before i drained the dern thing....

the manual says this could be caused by not powering down b/f draining, or air in the pipes etc...says to fix problem and then reset should work....

Is there any thing else I should try to do...drain, clean etc b/f buying a new heater?

Everything seems to work as long as I hold that red button down (cut off)...?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:33 pm 
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The high limit trip was caused by not powering it down, but the GFCI tripping is not- it's simply coincidence.

There are a number of troubleshooting steps that could help if a tripping high limit is your poblem, but in your case, this doesn't apply.

A GFCI tripping is telling you the is a ground fault somehwere, in effect, a component is leaking electricity. You have already done the troubleshooting and isolated the bad part. No amount of cleaning filters or bleeding air is going to magically repair the heater.

I think you may have misunderstood the manual- it's giving you options to repair a tripping high-limit, not a tripping GFCI.

Once the high limit is reset, the heater instantly energizes (assuming the heat is turned up) If the heater is working properly, it begins to get hot. Yours, however, leaks enough electricity to instantly trip the GFCI. It's not a flow problem, it's an electrical problem.

You may still have a flow issue as well, but there is no getting around the fact that a spa component is leaking electrcity, and all signs are pointing right at the heater.

I hope I'm being clear

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Good luck!

~Swine


EDIT:

I Just did a search and found an earlier post about your flashing ready light. You might want to double check your circ pump flow- especially right after powering up the spa. As the pump ages, it starts slower and slower, sometimes taking several minutes to get going. If the heater begins to heat before there is adequate flow, it will also trip the high limit. Just something to note- I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you might need to replace both items to fix both problems. A new circ pump will alleviate the tripping high-limit, and a new heater to repair the tripping GFCI. :idea:



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:56 pm 

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changed out the circ pump about 3 months ago...

When I cleaned the tub this time It had lots of "scaling" kinda like hard water deposits or calcium build up.....this couldn't have been good for things....

one more dumb question for you....manual says to trip the 2 gfci's in the subpanel.....

not real sure where these are located and if they would have anything to do with this....


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:05 pm 
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If the spa is plugged into a 20 amp outlet, you have no sub-panel. If your spa is 20 amp, 110v dedicated, the GFCI is located on the end of the cord.

If your spa is 50amp, 220v, you should have 2 breakers in a sub-panel instead of the 20 amp plug.

When you mention you GFCI trips, is it on the end of the cord, a GFCI breaker in your house, or both?



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It is 220 w/ a GFCI on the end of the cable....this is the one tripping....

manal says there is also two in the subpanel...


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it's not 220v, but 20 amp 110 :)

You have no subpanel

This is a 110v 20 amp plug
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:05 am 

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wat type of heater would you recommend buying....a new Hotsprings from the dealer and have them install?

Or an aftermarket like spaguts.com and do it myself?


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