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knightstormz
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Post subject: newbie heater question Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:24 pm |
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:18 pm Posts: 38 Location: Alabama
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I have just bought a tiger river monora spa that has a 110 volt pack on it. The person I bought it from says if you run the jets and the pump at the same time that the breaker trips. Is this a problem or is this normal due to the amperage draw combined by running the heater and pump at the same time ? Any help here will be greatly appreciated. This is my first spa so I am a little lost[/b]
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charger_1
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:25 pm |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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pump = 11-14 amps
heater = 12.5
total = up to 26.5 amps
Even a dedicated 120V circuit for a hot tub is max at 20 amps, so yeah, you are overloading the circuit by running both at once. The heater should only be on during low speed operation (or a circulation pump). if both run at the same time, it's wired incorrectly.
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Swine
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Post subject: Re: newbie heater question Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:17 am |
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:50 am Posts: 937 Location: SW Florida
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knightstormz wrote: The person I bought it from says if you run the jets and the pump at the same time that the breaker trips.[/b]
Does he mean the jets and the heater at the same time? Since the tub can only turn on the jets by running the pump.. well..
Your tub has a 24 hr silent circ pump, a Jet pump, and a heater. If it's properly wired for 110v, the heater will NOT energize while the jet pump is running.
You need to go ahead and hook it up, and begin troubleshooting. I don't think he's giving you an accurate description of the proplem, so it's pretty tough to troubleshoot....
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charger_1
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:00 pm |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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I took it as a typo and thinking he meant that the heater and the jets (pump) were on together and that is why I said that they would be wired incorrectly in that situation. A lot of "newbies" to hot tubs often don't know the lingo yet and do put the wrong word down for the right reason 
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knightstormz
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:25 pm |
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:18 pm Posts: 38 Location: Alabama
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Ok , I bought the tub from a guy who only intended to resell it for a profit. By the way , I paid $500.00 for it and it still looks to be in good shape. He told me when he went to pick it up that the owners told him " if the jet pump is turned on while the heater was operating , the breaker will trip".
Like I stated , I am new to hot tubs but figured that this was normal because of the amperage draw from the heater and jet pump would be high. If it is not normal , I wanted to know where to start looking for the problem.
I have not done any checks with my multimeter due to the fact that it has been raining everyday since I bought it on Sunday.
I apologize for my error in my original post , it should have read " The person I bought it from says if you run the jet pump and the heater at the same time that the breaker trips. "
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charger_1
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:32 pm |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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I suspected you meant heater and pump, not jets and pump. If the heater is on, at the same time as the jet pump, the breaker will trip. The heater is SUPPOSED to shut off when the jet pump is turned on. If you have a cam switch (operated by a single push button on the tub, usually 4 positions) I would start checking there for the problem. Diagrams can be provided for proper wiring of these switches. They are defined by the color of the cam inside them.
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knightstormz
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:49 pm |
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:18 pm Posts: 38 Location: Alabama
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I checked out my control panel and I have a push button jet pump switch which appears to be strictly on/off (in/out ) , the light switch is exactly the same and the heater thermostat control is a rotory dial.. I checked the underside of the control panel and do not see any cam , only a circuit board , thermostat control, and associated wiring.
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charger_1
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:23 pm |
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:27 am Posts: 1153 Location: Albert Lea, MN
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So, do you have a 2 button, one dial setup, with indicators for heat, light, and jets (maybe a 4th indicator as well) and the cord that goes to the control box has 6 pins on it?
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knightstormz
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:46 pm |
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:18 pm Posts: 38 Location: Alabama
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The control panel does not have any indicators on it unless they are lights that are inside the buttons themselves. The cord has connectors that look like rj 45 type connectors , it has 8 wires .
I do apologize for being hot tub illiterate and I sincerely thank you for your efforts.
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Swine
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:32 am |
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:50 am Posts: 937 Location: SW Florida
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Thanks for the clarification
You've got a great little tub, and your problem will be simple to fix, with a little additional info. Do you have the serial number of the spa? (It will start with the letter "M" followed by six numerical digits, like: M-242131
As far as troubleshooting goes, I would suggest you fill the spa with water, and have a good 20 amp, 110v power source ready to plug into. I will go into more detail as soon as I know your serial number. Hot Spring (they make TR spas) had a habit of changing control systems every year or two during the 90's in your model...The topside you descibe had several variations, it was used with no less that 4 different control boxes.
 Troubleshooting is different on each and every one
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